{"id":1548,"date":"2013-07-31T12:12:13","date_gmt":"2013-07-31T12:12:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.creusonslabible.fr\/?p=1548"},"modified":"2025-01-24T11:31:25","modified_gmt":"2025-01-24T09:31:25","slug":"jean-16-16-32-vers-la-maturite","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.creusonslabible.fr\/?p=1548","title":{"rendered":"Jean 16.16-32 &#8211; Vers la maturit\u00e9"},"content":{"rendered":"<h5><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">16-22 : Avenir sombre<\/span><\/span><\/h5>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Qu&rsquo;est-ce que les disciples ne comprennent pas ? <\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Que leur pr\u00e9dit J\u00e9sus ? (ils vont assister \u00e0 l&rsquo;oppos\u00e9 de l&rsquo;entr\u00e9e dans J\u00e9rusalem)<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Quels sont les champs lexicaux ? (la tristesse et la joie)<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Quelle m\u00e9taphore J\u00e9sus utilise-t-il ? (accouchement) Pourquoi ? <\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">De quels moments J\u00e9sus parle-t-il ? (la Croix ET la r\u00e9surrection)<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><b>23-28 : Espoir<\/b><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Quels sont les mots et expressions qui reviennent souvent ? (\u00ab\u00a0demander\u00a0\u00bb, \u00ab\u00a0en mon nom \u00bb)<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Quel est le r\u00f4le de J\u00e9sus dans la relation entre les disciple et Dieu le P\u00e8re ?<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Est-ce que \u00ab\u00a0au nom de J\u00e9sus\u00a0\u00bb est une formule magique \u00e0 prononcer \u00e0 la fin d&rsquo;une pri\u00e8re pour obliger Dieu \u00e0 ob\u00e9ir ? Pourquoi ? De quelle demande J\u00e9sus parle-t-il ? <\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Pourquoi le P\u00e8re aime-t-il les disciples ?<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Dans cette partie, rep\u00e9rez les mouvements ascendants et descendants.<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Avant ce passage auriez-vous pu d\u00e9clarer la m\u00eame chose que J\u00e9sus au v.27 \u00e0 propos des disciples ?<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><b>29-33 : Prise de conscience<\/b><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Qu&rsquo;est-ce qui a provoqu\u00e9 le d\u00e9clic chez les disciples ?<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Comparez avec la d\u00e9claration de Pierre en 6.68-69. Y a-t-il une \u00e9volution dans la croyance des disciples ?<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Comment comprenez-vous le v.31 ? Contredit-il le v.27 ?<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Dans les versets 32-33, quelles sont les choses n\u00e9gatives ? Qu&rsquo;est-ce qui vient les contrebalancer ?<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u00ab\u00a0Je vous ai parl\u00e9 ainsi pour que vous ayez la paix en moi.\u00a0\u00bb (v.33a) s&rsquo;applique \u00e0 tous les discours depuis le chapitre 13. En quoi ces paroles ont-elles apport\u00e9 la paix ?<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><b>APPLICATION<\/b><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u00c7a y est : les disciples vont \u00eatre seuls, ils vont devoir se d\u00e9brouiller sans le \u00ab\u00a0J\u00e9sus physiquement pr\u00e9sent\u00a0\u00bb, ils vont devenir ap\u00f4tres (envoy\u00e9s). Pourquoi avons-nous peur de la maturit\u00e9 ? (prendre des responsabilit\u00e9 au GBU ou \u00e0 l&rsquo;\u00c9glise, d\u00e9buter dans le milieu professionnel, s&rsquo;\u00e9manciper de son cocon familial, etc.) <\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Avez-vous d\u00e9j\u00e0 v\u00e9cu des p\u00e9riodes o\u00f9 vous ne compreniez pas du tout ce que Dieu faisait et que vous avez compris plus tard ? (r\u00e9f\u00e9rence au discours figur\u00e9 de J\u00e9sus)<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Avez-vous des pri\u00e8re \u00e9gocentriques (pour votre int\u00e9r\u00eat et celui de vos proches) ou th\u00e9ocentriques (pour la gloire de Dieu) ? (r\u00e9f\u00e9rence \u00e0 \u00ab\u00a0demandez et vous recevrez\u00a0\u00bb)<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<p align=\"LEFT\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Grande,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><i>Qu&rsquo;est ce que \u00e7a vous fait d&rsquo;\u00eatre les amis de celui qui a vaincu le monde ?<\/i><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<style class=\"advgb-styles-renderer\"><!--\nP { margin-bottom: 0.21cm; }H5 { margin-bottom: 0.21cm; }H5.western { font-family: \"Helvetica\",\"Arial\",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; }H5.cjk { font-family: \"Arial\",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; }H5.ctl { font-family: \"Tahoma\"; font-size: 12pt; }\n--><\/style>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>16-22 : Avenir sombre Qu&rsquo;est-ce que les disciples ne comprennent pas ? Que leur pr\u00e9dit J\u00e9sus ? (ils vont assister \u00e0 l&rsquo;oppos\u00e9 de l&rsquo;entr\u00e9e dans J\u00e9rusalem) Quels sont les champs lexicaux ? (la tristesse et la joie) Quelle m\u00e9taphore J\u00e9sus utilise-t-il ? (accouchement) Pourquoi ? De quels moments J\u00e9sus parle-t-il ? 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