{"id":3080,"date":"2014-11-21T11:46:15","date_gmt":"2014-11-21T11:46:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.creusonslabible.fr\/?p=3080"},"modified":"2025-01-24T12:13:10","modified_gmt":"2025-01-24T10:13:10","slug":"romains-1-18-32-les-consequences-de-lidolatrie","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.creusonslabible.fr\/?p=3080","title":{"rendered":"Romains 1.18-32 &#8211; Les cons\u00e9quences de l&rsquo;idol\u00e2trie"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Note pour l&rsquo;animateur :<\/strong> Il est recommand\u00e9 \u00e0 l&rsquo;animateur de lire l&rsquo;introduction \u00e0 l&rsquo;\u00e9p\u00eetre de Paul aux Romains <a href=\"http:\/\/www.creusonslabible.fr\/?p=264\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">ici<\/a>.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Que font les hommes dans ce passage ? Champs lexical de la corruption de l&rsquo;intelligence<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Il y a une expression qui revient 3 fois, rep\u00e9rez-la !<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm; background: #ccccff;\"><b>18-23 : La source du probl\u00e8me.<\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Quel est le crime des hommes ? <em>\u00c9touffer la v\u00e9rit\u00e9, \u00eatre idol\u00e2tres.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Ils ont rejet\u00e9 Dieu mais sont-ils ath\u00e9es ? <em>Non, ils sont devenus idol\u00e2tres de la cr\u00e9ation et d&rsquo;eux-m\u00eames (souvent un m\u00e9lange de tout comme le taureau androc\u00e9phale ail\u00e9 de Sargon II).<\/em><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Comment auraient-ils pu \u00e9viter de s&rsquo;\u00e9garer dans le mensonge ? <em>En r\u00e9fl\u00e9chissant \u00e0 la perfection de la cr\u00e9ation<\/em><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm; background: #ccccff;\"><b>24-25 : 1er ch\u00e2timent : l&rsquo;ali\u00e9nation intellectuelle.<\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Quel est le ch\u00e2timent ?<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Pourquoi l&rsquo;idol\u00e2trie avilit-elle le corps des idol\u00e2tres ? (ali\u00e9nation de l&rsquo;intelligence !)<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Regarder Esa\u00efe 44.9-20<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Quel est le apport entre le P\u00e9ch\u00e9 et ce ch\u00e2timent ?<em> R\u00e9f\u00e9rence \u00e0 l&rsquo;endurcissement de pharaon ou Sa\u00fcl<\/em><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm; background: #ccccff;\"><b>26-27 : 2<\/b><sup><b>nd<\/b><\/sup><b> ch\u00e2timent : l&rsquo;ali\u00e9nation sexuelle.<\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Pourquoi Paul insiste-t-il sur l&rsquo;homosexualit\u00e9 ? <em>L&rsquo;homosexualit\u00e9 est le symbole de l&rsquo;idol\u00e2trie (on adore quelqu&rsquo;un d&rsquo;ext\u00e9rieur \u00e0 soi mais semblable) et en m\u00eame temps son jugement.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Comment se pratiquait l&rsquo;homosexualit\u00e9 dans l&#8217;empire romain (de m\u00eame chez les grecs) ? <em>P\u00e9d\u00e9rastie (=p\u00e9dophilie) comme m\u00e9thode d&rsquo;\u00e9ducation, il \u00e9tait m\u00e9prisable d&rsquo;avoir le r\u00f4le passif, il \u00e9tait impensable d&rsquo;\u00eatre lesbienne.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">L&rsquo;homosexualit\u00e9 est-elle une cause ou une cons\u00e9quence du P\u00e9ch\u00e9 ?<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm; background: #ccccff;\"><b>28-31 : 3\u00e8me ch\u00e2timent : l&rsquo;ali\u00e9nation sociale.<\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Les p\u00e9ch\u00e9s de cette liste sont-ils moins graves que l&rsquo;homosexualit\u00e9 ?<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Quel est leur lien avec l&rsquo;idol\u00e2trie ? <em>La d\u00e9sob\u00e9issance \u00e0 Dieu au profit de ses propres int\u00e9r\u00eats.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm; background: #ccccff;\"><b>32 : Condamnation<\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Quelle est la nouvelle accusation de ce verset ? Ne pas appeler le mal \u00ab\u00a0mal\u00a0\u00bb et en plus encourager \u00e0 le faire.<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Que devaient faire les isra\u00e9lites dans la loi de Mo\u00efse ? (Lv 20)<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Quel est le but de Paul en \u00e9crivant tout \u00e7a ?<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Dieu qui abandonne les hommes, est-ce un manque d&rsquo;amour ? (Non puisqu&rsquo;en mettant sa foi en J\u00e9sus on a la possibilit\u00e9 de renverser le Mal)<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Au final, y a-t-il quelqu&rsquo;un de juste sur terre ?<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Lire Rm 2.1-8<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm; background: #ccccff;\"><b>Applications<\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Que r\u00e9pondre \u00e0 l&rsquo;argument \u00ab\u00a0J&rsquo;ai pas choisi d&rsquo;\u00eatre homosexuel !\u00a0\u00bb ? <em>Moi j&rsquo;ai pas choisi d&rsquo;\u00eatre m\u00e9chant\/m\u00e9disant\/orgueilleux ! Nous avons tous besoin de mettre notre foi en J\u00e9sus pour \u00eatre pardonn\u00e9s, du St Esprit pour \u00eatre chang\u00e9s.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Comment r\u00e9agir vis \u00e0 vis des homosexuels ? S&rsquo;aiment-ils ? <em>Il faut les consid\u00e9rer comme des p\u00e9cheurs qui souffrent encore plus que les autres.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm;\">Comment r\u00e9agir face \u00e0 notre idol\u00e2trie naturelle (=tout pour moi) ? <em>Ne pas la consid\u00e9rer comme un petit p\u00e9ch\u00e9.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Note pour l&rsquo;animateur : Il est recommand\u00e9 \u00e0 l&rsquo;animateur de lire l&rsquo;introduction \u00e0 l&rsquo;\u00e9p\u00eetre de Paul aux Romains ici. Que font les hommes dans ce passage ? Champs lexical de la corruption de l&rsquo;intelligence Il y a une expression qui revient 3 fois, rep\u00e9rez-la ! 18-23 : La source du probl\u00e8me. 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